Thursday, October 16, 2014

THE WARREN FAMILY [NORMANS]


     NORMAN WARREN FAMILIES  
            MARNHULL, DORSET.
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The below families are shown as three separate families. The family beginning with Christopher Warren married Elizabeth about 1658 were probably related to my line below, that begins with John b 1617 died 1698 who was probably of the Christopher and Alice Webb line of Ashburton and Ilsington 


The third family belonging to Martin Warren married Elizabeth [Foyle?] with perhaps the family George married Margery being connected in some way to the line Martin married Elizabeth.
I have no doubt that all three Warren families were related and that Marnhull became a center for migration from about 1450 through to 1650.

Pre-privacy the first registrations going backwards.                                

    MARNHULL WARREN FAMILIES


Joseph Warren b 1811 married Elizabeth Curtis [2nd April 1838] Children were; George b 1839 and Levi b 1843. Son of Martin Warren married Elizabeth.

THOMAS WARREN b c1821 m Lavinia? 1842.
Children were; Charlotte Zebra b 4th June 1843, This is the only child and there are no further records, may have moved out of county or only came to Marnhull to marry.

EDWARD WARREN b 1817 m Charlotte Snook 14th May 1836
Children were;Edward b 1836, Simeon b 1837 and Reuben b 1839.Christmas Edward b 1848?. 
Son of Edward Warren
This appears to be all the children this couple had and Edward was born of Martin and Elizabeth Warren in 1817.

WILLIAM WARREN b 1811, died 1878 m Mary Lambert 1833. Children were;William Henry b 1834 died 1861, Anne b 1836, Emmanuel b 1843. Son of Jacob Warren.

JOHN WARREN b 1799 m Martha Jones 11 August 1830.
Children were; Not registered in Marnhull in the 11 years following their marriage simply because they did not have any. John and Martha lived out their lives without children and were still around for the 1871 census but had probably died or moved out of Marnhull by 1881.

JOHN WARREN b 1806 died 1874 m Harriet True b 1802 died 1863, married 12th April 1830. Children were; George b 1835, Sarah b 1832, John b 1834 died 1864, Ann b 1835, James b 1837 died 1861, Henry b 1839. Son of Martin married Elizabeth. The birth of James [1837] is registered to John and Hannah Warren but Harriet's name may have been misread by OPC.

ROBERT WARREN m Jane Moore b 1806 died 1862, married 15th August 1829. Children were; William Henry b 1832, died 1861. Julia b 1841, Robert b 1843. Son of Jacob Warren.

JAMES WARREN b 1808 m Christina Kendle 20th April 1829.
Children were; James b 1830 died c1831, James b 1832, Giles b 1835, Robert b 1831, John b 1844, Thomas b 3-4-1847. son of Martin married Elizabeth.

JAMES WARREN [b 1783, died 1861 aged 79 years]  m Ann Strickland b 1806 died 1859, They married 4th July 1826. Children were;James b 1832, John b 1834, Lucy b 1837, Elizabeth b 1841, Elijah Walter b 1843 died 1843.
son of Edward married Mary Jarvis.

  
LEVI WARREN b1797, died 1865 m Maria Curtis b 1799 died 1838 m 17th April 1823. Children were; Ann b 1825, James b 23rd November 1833,


CHARLES WARREN b1796, died 1866 m Sarah Hann @ West Stour 16th June 1819. Children were; Robert b 9th April 1820, Hannah b 12th May 1822. Son of Jacob Warren. 

WILLIAM WARREN [farmer] b 1797 died 1822 m 1818 Sarah Galpin b 1797 William died January 30th 1822. 
Children were; William b 1819, John b 1821,
Son of Thomas and Sarah



STEPHEN WARREN b 1781 died 1849 m Elizabeth b 1790 died 1868 married  c1813
Children were; Mary b 1814, John b November 6th 1825. 
Son of Jacob Warren.



THOMAS WARREN b c1780 m Ann Jarvis married 20th April 1802
Children were; 
Son of Thomas married Sarah Howe
 

JOHN WARREN b1768, died 1848. m Ann Stone [Stokes] 22nd March 1800. 
Son of John Warren married Sarah Chin.


MARTIN WARREN b c1762 died 1849 m Elizabeth Bisse? [Foyle?] b 1767, married c 1799/1800. Children were; John b 1801, died 1802. Ann b 1803, John b 1806, James b 1808, Joseph b 1811,William born 1814, died 1817,  Edward b 1817.This Martin was a possible son of George Warren of Cornwall and was born out of Marnhull Parish.

 
MARTIN WARREN b 1778 m Mary Burge 21st April 1798.
Children were; Sarah b 30th July 1797, John b 1799 perhaps died 1802, Anna Maria b 1802, Christopher b 1804, Jemima b 1807. This Martin was the son of Martin Warren married Anna Maria Short who were direct descendents of the Author.


JOSEPH WARREN b 1767, died 1839 m Martha Woodrow [b1761, died 1833]  24th July 1797. Children were; John b 1798 died c 1801, John b 1801 died 1874, Sarah b April 1804. 
Son of George Warren



JAMES b 1751 and Hannah WARREN m c1786,
Children were; John b 1787 and James b 1797. Son of William married Ann Hine

STEPHEN WARREN b 1769, died 1849. m Hester Longman 21st March 1796, Children were; Maria b 1798, John b 1804, Robert b 1806, died 1843. James b 1809, Eliza b 1812. Son of John and Grace Warren

THOMAS WARREN [farmer] b 1773 m Sarah 1794?
Children were; Samuel b 1794, William b 1797, Stephen b March 1799. Son of Thomas Warren and Sarah Howe

WILLIAM WARREN b 1768 m Elizabeth Curtis 26th January 1793. Children were; William b 1793 died 1822. Son of William married Grace Chant

The Australian line of Warren at this point leave Marnhull to set up in Southampton before the son of Nathaniel [Alfred Frederick Warren departed for New Zealand in 1860. Christopher is a stone mason and set his trade in Southampton near St Marys.

CHRISTOPHER WARREN B 1768 m Anna Maria Simm @ Southampton, she was of Lymington Hampshire in 1788. Children all born at Southampton, Hants, were; Uriah b 1790, William b 1792, Elizabeth b 1794 died shortly after, Elizabeth Summer b 1795, Harriet b 1798, John Elisha b 1800, Carolina Isabel b 1802, Nathaniel Short b 1805.
Christopher was the Son of Martin Warren married Anna Maria Short at Marnhull, Dorset.  

JACOB WARREN b 1755, died 1835 m Mary Hann 24th September 1791. Children were; Stephen b 1794 died 1857, Charles b 1797, Betty b 1803, William b 1810. 
Jacob may have come in as a migrant.

EDWARD WARREN b1757, died 1840 m Ann White 7th May 1787, Children were; Simon b 1788, Reuben b 1790, Dinah b 1793, Simeon b 1796, Levi b 1798, Ann b 1802, Mary b 1804, Edward b 1807. 
Son of James Warren.


WILLIAM WARREN b 1744 m Sarah Kendall 27th June 1779 Children were; Betty 1781, Ann b 1783, Robert 1786. Son of Thomas Warren.


JOHN WARREN b 1763 m Sarah Chin at Hinton St Mary, 12th April 1767. Children were;John b 1768,died 1848, Mary b 1770, Elizabeth Light b 1774.


JOHN WARREN b 1744 m Grace Gulliver. 11th August 1766 at Gillingham. Children were; Elizabeth b 1767, Stephen b 1769, Stephen b 1770, Grace b 1772. Son of William married Ann Hine


EDWARD WARREN m Mary Jarvis 20th August 1776. 
Children were; Robert b 1777, Jane b 1781, James b 1783 died 1861, Leah b 1786.


THOMAS WARREN b 1741 m Sarah Howe 4th November 1763.Children were; Elizabeth b 1764, Sarah b 1765, James b 1770, Thomas b 1773, Mary and Esther b 1776, Mary b 1779, Son of Christopher Warren married Elizabeth Crow.


WILLIAM WARREN b c1741 m Grace Chant 1st December 1762. Grace already had a daughter Jane b 1756 who died the same year and later had a son named Jacob b 1762 who took the name Warren, he was probably William's son as the couple married in December of 1762. Other children were; Mary b 1764, Sarah b 1766, William b 1768, Mary b 1770, Elizabeth b 1772. Anne b 1774, Prudence b 1776, Hannah b 1777, Robert b 1780.
 

GEORGE WARREN m Ann How b1744, died 1822, married  2nd February 1762. Children were; William b 1762,died 1832, John b 1765, Joseph b 1767,died 1839  Esther b 1770, George b 1774 died 1867, Ann b 1777, Margaret b 1780, Lydia b 1782, Sarah b 1784.

 
MARTIN WARREN m ANNA MARIA SHORT 8th June 1761. Children were; Sarah b 1765, Anne b 1767, Christopher b 1768, Rebecca b 1771, Eli b 1773, John b 1775, Martin b 1778. Son of Christopher Warren married Elizabeth Crow at Oakford Fitzpaine in 1723 [wifes maiden name incorrect at Oakford]. The Australian line of Warrens were taken out of Marnhull by their son, Stone Mason Christopher b 1768 who migrated to Southampton about 1789, he married Anna Maria Simm of Lymington [about 1789[ who may have been related to the Marnhull Simm family.

JAMES WARREN b 1716 m Jane Goddard 18th April 1756.
Children were; Edward b 1757, Elizabeth b 1760. This James was the son of George Warren
 

THOMAS WARREN b 1718 m Mary Coombes, 18th January 1742.
Children were; William b 1744, Betty [Elizabeth] b 1746, Sarah b 1748, Ann b 1749, Robert b 1752, Jenny b 1758, Thomas and Matthew [twins] b 1761, John b 1763.  
Son of George Warren



JAMES WARREN b 1716 m Sarah? c1742
Children were; Robert b 1743, Phillip b 1747. This James was the son of George Warren. He was widowed and later married Jane Goddard [see above].




STEPHEN WARREN b c 1720 m Elizabeth ? c1741.
Children were; Betty [Elizabeth] b 1742.



JOHN WARREN m Sarah Brine 25th June 1741.
Children were; Thomas b 1741, Stephen b 1746. Son of Christopher Warren married Elizabeth Crow. 


JOHN WARREN b c1715 m Joan Salmon 4th December 1740.
Children were; Yet to be found.
 


WILLIAM WARREN b 1711 m Ann Hine 1st January 1734. 
Children were; Anne b 1734, Virtue b 1736, Elizabeth b 1738, William b 1741, Mary b 1743, John b 1744, Robert b 1748, James b 1751, Thomas b 1754. This William was son of William married Joane in 1708.



GEORGE WARREN m Mary Down 29th October 1723.
Children were; William b 1733, George b 1734, died 1810 John 1737, Joseph b 1738, Mary b 1740, Thomas b 1742, Peter b 1744, Joshua b 1748, Isaac b 1757. Son of George and Mary [Coombe] Warren.



JOHN WARREN b 1695 m Mary Woolldridge 19th October 1723.
Children were; John b 1724 died 1724, Mary b 1726, Elizabeth b 1728, Ruth b 1731, Jane b 1735, John b 1738, Thomas b 1741, Stephen b 1746.
Son of John and Ruth Warren.



BARNABUS WARREN b c1696 m Martha Seins 2nd June 1723.
Children were; Elizabeth b 1723, Mary b 1724, Barnaby b 1726, Hannah b 1729. Son of George and Susannah Warren.



CHRISTOPHER WARREN b 1698 died 29th May 1785 aged 88 years m ELIZABETH CREW [02 Jun Xtopher  Christopher, WARREN & Elizabeth CREW [more probably CROW] both of Marnhull 1722]. Very few marriages were registered in 1722 and this couple are not shown [ now found, having married at Okeford Fitzpaine 2nd June 1723 02 Jun [Xopher Christopher] WARREN & Elizabeth CReW both of Marnhul].
Children were; John b March 1723, Robert b 1727, Elizabeth b 1730 died 1730 , MARTIN b 1733, Thomas b 1735 died 1739, James b 1738 died 1739, Elizabeth b 1740 died 1740, Thomas b 1741, Mary b 1747. Christopher was the son of John and Ruth Warren.



GEORGE WARREN m Mary Coombe 9th April 1710. 
Children were; George b 1710, Thomas b 1712 died ?, William b 1714 died 16th Feb 1718, James b 1716, Thomas b 1718 died 1718, Mary b 1721, Robert b 1722, Elizabeth b 1725, Joshua b 1727. Son of George and Susannah Warren.



WILLIAM WARREN b 1686 m Joane George 1st June 1708.
Children were; Elizabeth b 1708, Mary b 1710, William b 1711. Son of John and Elizabeth Durnford Warren. William [b1711] continued this line.


THOMAS WARREN m Mary Francis 24th December 1704.
Children were;  This couple were from Gillingham and no trace of them has as yet been found there or in Marnhull after their marriage.GILLINGHAM COUPLE


JOHN WARREN m RUTH? c1693/4.
Children were; John b 1695, Robert b 1696, Christopher b 1698, Ruth b 1701, Mary b 1702. Son of John Warren [born 1617 died January 29th 1698]. Christopher and John continued this line.


GEORGE WARREN b 1659 m Susannah Gilbert 11th April 1686. Children were; George b 1687, Elizabeth b 1688 died 1689, Gilbert b 1693 died 1693, Barnabus b 1694, Joseph b 1697 died 1697, Susannah b 1700, Thomas b 1703 died 1703, Mary b 1704. Likely the son of Christopher and Elizabeth Warren. George [b1687 and Barnabus [b1694] continued this line.


JOHN WARREN b 16 m Elizabeth Durnford 25th August 1685.
Children were; William b 1686, Joanne b 1688, Mary b 1691, Thomas b 1694, Richard b  1696, John b January 1699 died 1699, Elizabeth b 1699 [Julian year] died 1701, John b 1702 died 1703. Likely the son born of of Christopher and Elizabeth Warren in 1664.


THOMAS WARREN m Joane ? c1682.
Children were; Thomas b 1683 perhaps married Mary Francis of Gillingham This Thomas may have also been an immigrant from Gillingham into Marnhull. It is also possible that Thomas was the son of



JOHN WARREN b 1656 m Jane Woodrow 5th April 1681.
Children were; Elizabeth b 1682, Mary b 1684 died 1684, James b 1687 , Katherine b 1691, John b 1695 died 1699, John b 1699, Anne b 1700. Possible son of William and Joane Warren and named two children [James and Elizabeth] after possible siblings.

Here, the Sydlinge/Sidlin line disappear [ perhaps migrating to Shillingstone? ] or died out, all three below had daughters but records are unclear that any surviving sons were born to them.


William Warren born 1650 and Mary born c 1655 died 1684 married c1676 son Philip b 1677 died young. Disappeared from records. Son of William married Ann.


William born 1644 and Jane b c 1650? died 1716 married c1673 Daughter Jane b 1674. William may have been the widower of Tamsin who died in 1672 and he possibly remarried to this Jane in 1673.


WILLIAM WARREN born 1644 m Tamsin who died in 1672 they married c1666. Daughter Thomasine was born 1667.  There may have also been a son named David born to this couple in 1668 without registration but a burial is recorded for David in October 1669. A William died about ten days later on the 12th of October. Son of William married Joane Gane

The three Williams listed above are not surely placed, a William died in 1694 and another in 1670 and yet another in 1680 and another in 1669, it is not known in what order they were born or died or even if they all remained in Marnhull.


GEORGE WARREN m Margery? c1665.
Children were; Luce b 1660, Mary b 1663, Susannah b 1666, Margery b 1669. George and Margery came in from out of County, perhaps from Cornwall. 


CHRISTOPHER WARREN [b c 1623-1637] m Elizabeth ? c1658. Children were; George b 1659 died 1675, John b 1664 died 1690. Christopher died 1695. This Christopher may have been related to Thomas Warren [see protestation returns for 1641/2 Marnhull pr's] and could have been 18 years old when the protestation was signed. He may have married out of the county but as there are six unrecorded years for marriages at this time [1656-1662] one cannot be sure. Christopher may have married Elizabeth Keynell [b1636] whose father's name was George Keynell and whom their first child may have been named for. It is doubtful that he was of the Sydlinge line As he is registered in 1664 only as Christopher Warringe father of John.


JOHN WARREN m [Margaret c1645 who perhaps died 1683? John died in 1670].
Children were; John b 1646, Alice b 1649, Mary b1652, Ann b 1654 died 1674. This John and his wife appear to be immigrants into Marnhull and with this we may have a found the beginnings of a family line. As John brought his wife with him, it is not known if he brought other children also.  John born 1646 may have died but he does not appear on records in deaths or marriages. There is an illegible registration for a John in 1659 [June] that might suggest the birth of John married Ruth. Tieing this John and Margaret into my line has its problems but they do have the Christian names to  suit. John, Alice, Mary and Ann as their Children.

Parentage for Christopher m Elizabeth [married c1658]  to be found, also William and Jane and William and Tamsin are yet to be found.

We have three or four Warrens at about this time who probably are connected, the above John [b c1615-20 [married Margaret]

Christopher [b c1620-37 [married Elizabeth [c1658] and George [b c1641] married Margery c1665. John, Christopher and George all appear from nowhere from 1646 to 1659 and were probably running away from the bad times. 

John, is the first to arrive and he is already married to Margaret, what is known of his family is listed above.

George is next to start his family and his firstborn is Luce [b 1660] then Mary [b 1661] Mary [b1662] Susannah [b1666] and Margery [b 1669] George may have lost his wife Margery in 1670 [registration for burial of M... Warren] but it may have also been his last born daughter of the marriage. His daughter or wife Margery died in 1692. 

There is a registration for a George and Edeth having a daughter in 1674 named Edeth. A George died on the 6th of May 1675 and Edeth does not appear to have remarried, this may have been George married Margery.

Christopher m Elizabeth has history above.

JOHN WARREN b 1617 and first of the Warren Parish Clerks, does not arrive in Marnhull until c1640, his son John [also Parish Clerk] was born perhaps in Devon in 1638 but died in Marnhull in 1698. It is thought that this family went on the run from Cromwell and the English uprising at that time.

WILLIAM WARREN b 1617 m Joane Gane 2nd May 1643.
Children were; William b 1644 died 1694, Thomas b 1646 died 1675, Elizabeth b 1649, Joan b 1652, James b 1653, John b 1658, Richard b 1662 died 1662. 
William b 1617, died 1680 and Joane Gane Warren died 1681.


WILLIAM WARREN [born c1610, died c1683] m Ann ? c1634. Children were; Mary b 1635, may have died 1670?  Alice b 1641, Agnes b 1644, Susannah b 1646, William b 1650. No register of Marriage or birth for William and Ann suggesting they were immigrants into Marnhull. It is possible that Ann died in 1674 aged about 60 years. Son of Thomas m Elizabeth Davidge


 NICHOLAS WARREN [b 1605 to Thomas] married c1626 Susannah Davidge who died in 1663? Children were; Nicholas b 1627 died 1648, Susannah b 1629 died April 1642, Thomas b 1631 died December 1642, Jane b 1634 died 1642, Edeth b 1638. Nicholas senior died in 1664 Son of Thomas who married Elizabeth Davidge, The male line of this family died out with Nicholas jr in 1648,
 

WILLIAM SYDLINGE alias WARREN b 1585 m Joan Ridman 1611. Children were; Elizabeth b 1612, William b 1617,died 1617, Catherine b 1622 and Robert b 1626. This family died out!


JOHN SYDLINGE alias WARREN b 1582 [ m Marie Hatcher 1613. Children were John [b 1614] and possibly John b1615 although there is no death recorded for the first John and this may have been an error or Julian/Gregorian calender problem as no burials for Warren or Sydlinge are recorded for that [1614] year.This family also cease production at this time and probably DIED OUT..



JOHN SYDLINGE b 1582 alias WARREN m LUCY? c1612 John Sydlinge alias Warren died November 1642. Wife Lucie died 1645. Children were; Luce b 1617, Margaret b 1621 died 1622 as Warren.  A John Sydlinge died in 1617 and may have been the son of John Sydlinge. This family also DIED OUT


THOMAS SIDLINE b c1580 m Elizabeth Davidge 1604.
 Children were; Nicholas b August 1605.  William b 1607.
Died out with Nicholas being the last.



THOMAS SYDLINGE b 1589? [the younger] alias WARREN m Luce Hilson  c1606. Children were; Margaret b 1604 died 1604, Elizabeth b 1607, Thomas b 1608, died perhaps 1675.  Rebecca b 1611 died 1637. Marie Sydlinge b 1613. Lucey Sydlinge [wife of Thomas Sydlinge] died in 1617 
Thomas may have died about 1641.


JOHN SYDLINGE alias Warren m Anstice Kemphuke c1578?
Children were;  Not known as this couple have no further records in Marnhull other than the possibility that this John died in 1588 at the same time as the Warren family below. DIED OUT OR LEFT MARNHULL.


JOHN WARREN Alias Sydlinge [b c1550 died 1617?] m Joane? c1576. Children were; Joan b 1579, John b 16th May, 1582. Edmund b1588 died 1588, Wife Joane also died in April 1588.
Henrie, although not registered except in death, was son of John Warren Alias Sydlinge, Henrie died in 1589. It appears that illness or accident struck this family down. The Clerk listed the family as Warren alias Sydlinge. 
DIED OUT

THOMAS WARREN alias Sydlinge m Margaret Nicholls 1581 married 1st Margaret? c1581.Children to Margaret were; Thomas m Elizabeth Davidge in 1604?[b 1582 November] William b 13th October 1585 married Joan Ridman in 1611?, Nicholas b August 1586 died 30th October 1605.Wife of Thomas, Margaret died 1604.
Possible marriage
2nd m Emme [Emma] ? who died on 21st December 1632.
Children were; Rodigon b 1607, died 1611. Emme was married to a Thomas Warren alias Sydlinge. DIED OUT

ROBERT WARREN B 1562. No record of marriage for Robert in Marnhull c1585 or thereafter. May have attached Sydlinge to his name but no marriage recorded and may have died childless, he was certainly not Robert Sydlinge alias Pears who died 1596. No further records found.

ROBERT SYDLINGE B c1520-1540. m ?
Daughter Joane b 1563. Perhaps also a daughter Helenar Sydlinge married William Brownidge in 1571 and perhaps four other daughters Helenar m 1571, Marie born 1571, Allis m 1571, Avis m 1573 and Elizabeth m 1575 who married during the latter part of the 16th century. . This Robert may have had sons Thomas Sydlinge alias Warren, John Sydlin [married 1576] and/or John Sydlinge married Anstice Kemphuke in 1578 and/or possibly a William before records began in 1661 in Marnhull. Probably sired William, Thomas and John Sydlinge and perhaps a Robert Sydlinge jr.



THE VICARS

My own family held onto the tradition of joining the Ministry almost until the 1900's as my great great grandfather Nathaniel Short Warren and his brother were both ministers in Winchester, Hampshire. On reading the History of the Warren Family by Thomas Warren, it is amazing to see just how many Warrens from all branches were Vicars, Rectors, Churchwardens and Parish Clerks  In the UK down through the ages.


WARREN-WEBB
Below is the Warren family of Ilsington via Ashburton in Devonshire, they are the supposed line for my family and somewhere there will be found a proof of this because of the prevalence of the same christian names and the proximity of Ashburton and Ilsington to Marnhull in Dorset. 

SONS OF CHRISTOPHER WARREN m ALICE WEBB 1613 Rector of Ilsington in Devon.
Robert b 1615 Rector/Clerk at Maker and Rame in Cornwall
John b 1617 Clerk [at Marnhull?]
 Richard c 1619
Thomas c 1621
Christopher c 1623
William c 1626

It is a very real possibility that Rector Robert Warren Born Ilsington in Devon and then Rector at Maker and Rame in Cornwall was brother to John Warren b 1617, both were Clerks and both were employed within the church and I believe both were sons of Vicar Christopher Warren of Ilsington in Devonshire. Other siblings in that family were Christopher b1623, Richard b1619 and Thomas b1621 with possibly William b 1626 and a girl Ann b 1614. It is noticeable that the children of Robert born of Christopher in 1615, named his children Robert [heir] b 1615 and John b 1617 [second born] and later Thomas, whereas John born [1617] named his firstborn John [heir] and also had Robert and Thomas among his children.

I find it hard to disregard the chance that the siblings in this family did NOT become wealthy merchants in London [as per the Reverend Thomas Warren's History of the Warren Family] and in fact, I feel that their migrations would have been away from Cromwell and his men rather than toward them. I also believe that John b1617, Richard b1619, Thomas b1621, Christopher b 1623 and William b 1625/26 must be properly researched as it is known that William has been mistakenly identified and therefore Thomas, Richard and Christopher must be studied for the same erroneous identification. It is known that all siblings in the family married and that there were 8 quarterings on their crest and arms. This of course was registered when the Heralds visited Devon in about 1623/26. 

Robert Warren b 1615 had long wanted to take over as Rector of Rame church in Cornwall and he finally achieved that aim with the assistance of Nathaniel Brent just one day before he [Robert] died. He had earlier been given the church in Maker [Cornwall] where he remained until about 1658. John b1617 [I believe] migrated to Marnhull in Dorset and his other brothers [Richard, Thomas Christopher and William] I believe may have also stayed well to the south of London. It has already been shown and admitted by the Reverend that he was wrong about William [Sir? William] Warren b 1626 to Christopher and Alice Webb Warren and I believe that there may have been a mix up with the Ilsington family in Devon and perhaps a London Warren family maybe of Islington. I cannot see that a religious family living in Devon should have the heir become a Rector in Cornwall and that most of the children become mighty businessmen of note in London and Plymouth, except of course for John Warren b1617 who has no record at all shown except for his possible marriage to Alice Burgess in 1638.

It is noticeable that after Robert is described in the Reverend Thomas Warren's 'History of The Warren Family" that John get only a marriage entry [to Alice Burgess] at Exeter in Devon, Richard Warren  b1619, has his marriage to Elizabeth Ivatt described along with his two sons Richard and John, both of whom went to a Merchant Taylors School in London. Thomas Warren b1621 has a long incorrect description given him but his birth date and marriage to a woman named Anderson are probably correct but he was not the Thomas Warren who was a prominent merchant of London. Christopher Warren b1623 is likewise listed with a quality background in Plymouth and his two marriages and entire family are shown so it is hard to dispute his listing. William Warren is listed as a Knight of London and The Reverend Thomas Warren changes this listing after being informed by the correct family that the listing was incorrect.  And so now to the investigation into finding out what happened to this family who lived in the small village of Ilsington, Devon. Did they somehow become wealthy or did they remain loyal to the area in which they lived? 

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