THE
FAMILY WARREN
AUSTRALIA
THIS BLOG IS STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND ILLUSTRATIONS ETC WILL BE ADDED AS TIME GOES BY.
The below section is a basic look at my direct line and although it does include the generations since the Normans, it is only a rough guide and still needs to be properly researched. For a more depth on the Line that originated in Devon/Cornwall, please continue on into the Sydlinge/Warren post of Marnhull in Dorset.
THIS BLOG IS STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND ILLUSTRATIONS ETC WILL BE ADDED AS TIME GOES BY.
The below section is a basic look at my direct line and although it does include the generations since the Normans, it is only a rough guide and still needs to be properly researched. For a more depth on the Line that originated in Devon/Cornwall, please continue on into the Sydlinge/Warren post of Marnhull in Dorset.
1066AD -- 2000AD
The family Crest of my Warren is of the Ashburton Devon, Warren family who have probably lived there since the Normans took over. The more applicable Crest and Arms for my family are perhaps that of the Christopher Warren family of Ashburton, Headborough and later, Ilsington in Devon, for I believe that unlike Christopher's heir Robert Warren Vicar of Maker and Rame in Cornwall, my direct line no longer held arms etc as we were second in line. Robert did have his own crest and arms made up so I gather that if we secondary family members have a claim to arms,it would be through Christopher Warren of Ilsington in Devon.
Absolute proof that my line of Warren have descended from those Norman conquerors of England who arrived with the Conqueror. cannot be shown at this moment but it is an almost forgone fact that Christopher Warren [married Alice Webb] is the father of my line and he was certainly descended from the Normans. The problem with Genealogy is that there will always be someone who wants you to be wrong and in genealogy, the chances of being wrong are always there.
The battle for supremacy by the Normans began at Hastings and the battle for survival by the Warren family has continued since that time. As for the Warren family in general, it is strange to see so many of them having become ministers and churchmen down through the ages. Why this has been so is not yet known by myself but I believe that there has been sanctuary for many Warren families within the walls of religion, especially from the many angry people in England during and since the Normans won their incredible victory. It should be understood that although the Normans ruled England, they did not replace the population with Norman people. Yes, the French and the Belgians did send migrants but Britain [especially the north] remained much as it had been before the invasion except that the lords were now all Normans.
William [Earl] De Warren and his wife Gundrada have a saga all their own and this has become a fine example of the wish by power brokers, to put down certain sections of the Conquerors family or families simply because it was William De Warren [as the Conquerors cousin and General] who assisted mightily in taking England in battle.
The below article will attempt to dispel the doubts that certain would-be historians and researchers have tried to instill into the public eye.
The Author of this Blog [Raymond J Warren] has also produced an extremely popular book that has taken him some 25 years to research, the book was popularized on the "Ray Mears Goes Walkabout Show" filmed in Australia for the British and now world public. It is a research into the life of a young 13-year-old Scottish girl who became shipwrecked and was left to live alone on an island populated by headhunters for five terrifying years.
Absolute proof that my line of Warren have descended from those Norman conquerors of England who arrived with the Conqueror. cannot be shown at this moment but it is an almost forgone fact that Christopher Warren [married Alice Webb] is the father of my line and he was certainly descended from the Normans. The problem with Genealogy is that there will always be someone who wants you to be wrong and in genealogy, the chances of being wrong are always there.
The battle for supremacy by the Normans began at Hastings and the battle for survival by the Warren family has continued since that time. As for the Warren family in general, it is strange to see so many of them having become ministers and churchmen down through the ages. Why this has been so is not yet known by myself but I believe that there has been sanctuary for many Warren families within the walls of religion, especially from the many angry people in England during and since the Normans won their incredible victory. It should be understood that although the Normans ruled England, they did not replace the population with Norman people. Yes, the French and the Belgians did send migrants but Britain [especially the north] remained much as it had been before the invasion except that the lords were now all Normans.
William [Earl] De Warren and his wife Gundrada have a saga all their own and this has become a fine example of the wish by power brokers, to put down certain sections of the Conquerors family or families simply because it was William De Warren [as the Conquerors cousin and General] who assisted mightily in taking England in battle.
The below article will attempt to dispel the doubts that certain would-be historians and researchers have tried to instill into the public eye.
The Author of this Blog [Raymond J Warren] has also produced an extremely popular book that has taken him some 25 years to research, the book was popularized on the "Ray Mears Goes Walkabout Show" filmed in Australia for the British and now world public. It is a research into the life of a young 13-year-old Scottish girl who became shipwrecked and was left to live alone on an island populated by headhunters for five terrifying years.
THE COLONIZING WARRENS OF
AUSTRALIA
AUSTRALIA
This our modern generation, is believed to be the twenty seventh generation of my family line since“The Battle of Hastings” in 1066.
Raymond F Warren. Born 1981, Sisters Melanie Warren. Born 1973 and Karen Warren born 1980.
THE WARREN FAMILY OF AUSTRALIA
AND NEW ZEALAND
Twenty Sixth Generation
Raymond J Warren [Author of this Blog] [Australia]
Jack of all trades, Author and Historian and Sales Manager.
Frank Warren b1900 Norah his wife
MECHANICAL ENGINEER
Twenty-Fourth Generation [Australia]
Alfred Samuel Warren b 1866
Railway Engineer [Driver]
Married Mary Ann Wain of Birmingham
Railway Engineer [Driver]
Married Mary Ann Wain of Birmingham
Twenty-Third Generation [New Zealand]
Alfred F Warren born 1830. Christened August 22nd in Winchester, Hampshire Printer and later Government Printer in New Zealand. He married Louisa Jane Elliott in Auckland New Zealand April 22nd 1865, children were Alfred S Warren born 9-3-1866, Ellen May [Nelly] born 30-10-1876 in Wellington New Zealand, Emily Gertrude born 24-1-1879 in Wellington New Zealand and Lillian Maud born 16-6-1880 in Wellington New Zealand. One of the girls died in early childhood.
The father of Alfred Frederick Warren was Nathaniel Short Warren a Printer of Winchester, Hampshire England
Alfred became the Government printer for New Zealand in 1860, he lived in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch [where he died in 1911].
The Hampshire Warrens
The father of Alfred Frederick Warren was Nathaniel Short Warren a Printer of Winchester, Hampshire England
Alfred became the Government printer for New Zealand in 1860, he lived in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch [where he died in 1911].
The Hampshire Warrens
Twenty Second Generation
[Winchester and Southampton UK]
Nathaniel Short Warren born 1805 in Southampton, Hampshire, Minister and Printer died 1866 married Mary Ann Furner on 27-12- 1828 at Nursling, Hampshire. Children were:
Alfred Frederick. Born 1830, Anna Maria, Caroline, Elizabeth, Harriet, Amelia and William Thorn Warren who although second born boy, inherited the family business and who later became Mayor of Winchester.
Nathaniel was sent to college in Suffolk where he was educated into the printing world. He was also trained as a Minister of religion as was his son William Thorn Warren.
His father Christopher was a stonemason and minister
Nathaniel was sent to college in Suffolk where he was educated into the printing world. He was also trained as a Minister of religion as was his son William Thorn Warren.
His father Christopher was a stonemason and minister
21st Generation
Southampton England
The last of the Stonemasons
Christopher Warren born 1765/8 in Marnhull, Dorset,married Anna Maria Sim c1788. He was a Minister and employer Stonemason. Children were: Uriah born 1790 [did not marry]. William born 1792, Elizabeth Short born 1794, died 1794. Harriet. Born 1798. John Elisha Warren born 1800. Carolina Isabel. Born 1802 and Nathaniel Short Warren born 1805. Christopher was born and raised in Marnhull, Dorset and left that village at about the time of the death of his father and mother from smallpox in 1779. He began his own family in Southampton in 1790.
Christopher was born of Martin Warren and Anna Maria Short Warren at Marnhull Dorset England. It appears that Christopher and possibly his second son William were the last of the line to practice stone-masonry, William disappeared off the scene before 1837 and possibly moved back to Marnhull in Dorset.
Christopher had a younger brother Martin b 1778 who married Mary Burge at Marnhull in 1798 after having a baby [Sarah b 1797 out of wedlock] they did however marry the following year.
MARTIN WARREN m Mary Burge 1798
Children were; Sarah b 1797 then John b 29th December 1798, Anna Maria b 27th June 1802, Christopher b 5th August 1804, Jemima b 8th March 1807.
Christopher was born of Martin Warren and Anna Maria Short Warren at Marnhull Dorset England. It appears that Christopher and possibly his second son William were the last of the line to practice stone-masonry, William disappeared off the scene before 1837 and possibly moved back to Marnhull in Dorset.
Christopher had a younger brother Martin b 1778 who married Mary Burge at Marnhull in 1798 after having a baby [Sarah b 1797 out of wedlock] they did however marry the following year.
MARTIN WARREN m Mary Burge 1798
Children were; Sarah b 1797 then John b 29th December 1798, Anna Maria b 27th June 1802, Christopher b 5th August 1804, Jemima b 8th March 1807.
THE WARRENS OF MARNHULL DORSET
Twentieth Generation [Fifehide] Stonemasons
Martin Warren born 1733. Stonemason. Married Anna Maria Short in 1761. Martin and Anna Maria believed to have died of smallpox c1780. Children were:
Sarah Born 10-3-1765, Anne Christened 15-4-1767. Christopher christened 16-10-1768, Rebecca christened 31-5-1771, Eli christened 28-10-1773, John christened 27-12-1775, Martin christened 25-5-1778.
Wife Anna Maria Short Warren died 1779 at Marnhull, possibly of Smallpox.
Martin's Warren's Grandfather, the father of Christopher Warren b1698, was John Warren Married Ruth.
Nineteenth Generation
Christopher Warren [b1698] Parish Clerk and Stonemason. married Elizabeth [Crow, Crew?] of Marnhull
Children were John born March 1723, Robert b 2nd August 1727, Elizabeth b 18th May 1730 Martin [b 28th April 1733] Thomas b 16th February 1735, James b 8th January 1738, Thomas b 26th December 1741 and Mary b 20th July 1747. Christopher's father was John Warren born 1658. Christopher's son Robert was probably the last of this line to be Parish Clerk at Marnhull Robert died in 1796, Elizabeth's father was Martin Crow/Crew.
Eighteenth Generation
Children were John born March 1723, Robert b 2nd August 1727, Elizabeth b 18th May 1730 Martin [b 28th April 1733] Thomas b 16th February 1735, James b 8th January 1738, Thomas b 26th December 1741 and Mary b 20th July 1747. Christopher's father was John Warren born 1658. Christopher's son Robert was probably the last of this line to be Parish Clerk at Marnhull Robert died in 1796, Elizabeth's father was Martin Crow/Crew.
Eighteenth Generation
John Warren born 1658, Parish Clerk and Stonemason. Born perhaps at Exeter, Devon, married Ruth Coleman of Isle of Wyte 1692]. John Warren died in 1752 aged 94. His children were' John Warren b 1695, Robert Warren [b1696] followed by Christopher Warren. [Born 1698]. Ruth Warren in 1701 and Mary in 1703. Christopher became Parish Clerk when his father died in 1752 and it is unknown at this time as to why sons John or Robert did not appear to take on the work of Parish Clerk.
17th Generation
John Warren of Ashburton in Devon [born 1617] was the father of John married Ruth . The two Reverends [Historians John Hutchins and Thomas Warren along with Reverends Conyers and Harry Place of Marnhull all agreed that Ashburton was where the Marnhull branch of Parish Clerks/Stone Masons originated prior to coming into Dorset. John b 1617 being the first of that clan to arrive at Marnhull.
John Warren b 1617 married Alice Burgess in Exeter Devon 24-2-1638/9 he died 23/01/1698, this marriage may have suffered a blow with the death of Alice before 1645 as John appears to have arrived in Marnhull without reference to Alice Burgess. It is believed that the reformation and Cromwell drove many Warren families to scatter from their home counties bounding around Devon, Dorset and Cornwall. John Warren of Ashburton was a Clerk along with his brother Robert [Rector of Rame and Maker in Cornwall. John died in 1698 and it is believed that he came from the Ashburton Warrens because of the dominance of the names John, Christopher, Robert, Thomas, William, Richard and Nathaniel within the family over several generations. That they were churchmen is undoubted as shown by the Reverend Thomas Warren in his History of the Warren Family. The Reverend stated that the Ashburton Warrens [Christopher married Alice Webb moved to Ilsington in Devon where Christopher became Rector at that village] were entrenched at Ashburton until the move to Ilsington from whence his heir Robert, migrated to Maker in Cornwall.
It is believed that John [the second son] also followed his older brother in migration, perhaps first to London and then once the turmoil began with Cromwell, to Marnhull in Dorset where he took up the post of Parish Clerk whilst also dabbling in Stone masonry.
17th Generation
John Warren of Ashburton in Devon [born 1617] was the father of John married Ruth . The two Reverends [Historians John Hutchins and Thomas Warren along with Reverends Conyers and Harry Place of Marnhull all agreed that Ashburton was where the Marnhull branch of Parish Clerks/Stone Masons originated prior to coming into Dorset. John b 1617 being the first of that clan to arrive at Marnhull.
John Warren b 1617 married Alice Burgess in Exeter Devon 24-2-1638/9 he died 23/01/1698, this marriage may have suffered a blow with the death of Alice before 1645 as John appears to have arrived in Marnhull without reference to Alice Burgess. It is believed that the reformation and Cromwell drove many Warren families to scatter from their home counties bounding around Devon, Dorset and Cornwall. John Warren of Ashburton was a Clerk along with his brother Robert [Rector of Rame and Maker in Cornwall. John died in 1698 and it is believed that he came from the Ashburton Warrens because of the dominance of the names John, Christopher, Robert, Thomas, William, Richard and Nathaniel within the family over several generations. That they were churchmen is undoubted as shown by the Reverend Thomas Warren in his History of the Warren Family. The Reverend stated that the Ashburton Warrens [Christopher married Alice Webb moved to Ilsington in Devon where Christopher became Rector at that village] were entrenched at Ashburton until the move to Ilsington from whence his heir Robert, migrated to Maker in Cornwall.
It is believed that John [the second son] also followed his older brother in migration, perhaps first to London and then once the turmoil began with Cromwell, to Marnhull in Dorset where he took up the post of Parish Clerk whilst also dabbling in Stone masonry.
THE AMERICAN DREAM [Christopher Warren and his son Richard]
It is here that we will probably incur the wrath of many American families Warren, who are seeking their forebears from among the many Warrens who migrated away from England to the Americas.
First and foremost, American Warren families must do their research with a great deal of thoroughness, many families are attempting to claim themselves of Royal background, so many in fact, that almost 150 years of Genealogical records have been almost smashed by this or that family trying to show that they are of such and such a forebear. The line of Christopher Warren [married Alice Webb] has been terribly disrupted on the IGI and with Ancestry and Family Search.
Christopher Warren [married Alice Webb] was born in 1585 and married in 1613. He raised his children to the church and their baptisms are shown below. Christopher was not born in 1487 or every year [except 1585] from then until 1616, he was NOT the father of Richard Warren of the "Mayflower" nor was his son John the Massachusetts John Warren. All Christopher's sons were churchmen and perhaps also became involved in business and Industry in England during their lifetimes.
Sixteenth Generation
Christopher Warren born c1585 married 15-6-1613 to Alice Webb of Sydenham Damerel, Devon. His children were: Ann, 1614, Robert 1615, John 1617, Richard 1619, Thomas 1621 and Christopher c1623 followed by William? c1626. Although this John b 1617 looks the probable father for my line, it is now accepted as so until it can be shown as incorrect. Christopher died aged 41 in 1626 at Ilsington in Devon, leaving behind a very young family.
I am yet to be convinced that this family are those shown with rich business operations in London and Plymouth as their father died in 1626 while the children were still very young. The children all appear to have held firm to the church and their father ministered to only a very small village as did his son Robert. It has been shown in records that this Warren family became wealthy merchants in London and Plymouth but I doubt this very much.
I am yet to be convinced that this family are those shown with rich business operations in London and Plymouth as their father died in 1626 while the children were still very young. The children all appear to have held firm to the church and their father ministered to only a very small village as did his son Robert. It has been shown in records that this Warren family became wealthy merchants in London and Plymouth but I doubt this very much.
Fifteenth Generation
William Warren born c1525 and died before 1586. He married Ann Mable of Calstock Cornwall, his children were:Reverend Christopher Warren and John Warren [died 1604] of Ashburton, Devonshire. Christopher was born 1585, died 1626.
Fourteenth Generation [Fifehide]
Christopher Warren born c1505. He was a churchwarden at Ashburton in Devon and died before 1580. He married and had a son named William born c1525 who married Ann Mable of Cornwall.
Thirteenth Generation
John Warren of Headborough, Devon was born c 1475 and married Elizabeth Gerard and had a son named Christopher about 1505. He also had another son named John who was born c1512. It is thought that this John Warren was born in Nottingham before transferring to Devon.
It is from here back that records are not always sure but some genealogists of old appear to have been on the right track. If anyone can assist with the positive list from here back, I would appreciate it very much.
It is from here back that records are not always sure but some genealogists of old appear to have been on the right track. If anyone can assist with the positive list from here back, I would appreciate it very much.
Twelfth Generation
William Warren was born about 1450 and married Ann, he had a son named Lawrence. Believe them to be from Nottinghamshire.
Eleventh Generation
Lawrence Warren born c1394 and died 1444 married Margery de Bulkeley. His son and Heir was William.
Tenth Generation
Nicholas Warren born c1370 died 1413 married Agnes de Wynnington. His son was Lawrence.
Ninth Generation
John Warren born 1345, married Margaret de Stafford c1418.His son was Nicholas.
Eighth Generation
Edward De Warren born 1315 married Cicely de Eton. His son was John.
Seventh Generation
John De Warrene 8th Earl of Surrey married Maud De Nerford. His son was Edward
There were six other previous earls of Surrey all descending from William De Warrene the first Earl of Surrey.
The material below is taken from the book
The material below is taken from the book
“Families Directly Descended From all the Royal Families in Europe, (1932),”
by Elizabeth(Leach)Rixford)
by Elizabeth(Leach)Rixford)
“The name Warreyn, Waryn, Warne,Warynge,Warying and Warren first appears in England with William the Conqueror, to whom William De Warrene was right hand man.”
"Warren family history is exceeded in interest and antiquity by that of no other ancient English house. The surname is of Norman-French origin, and is derived from Varrenne, a small river in the old County of Calais or Caux, in Normandy, which gave its name to the neighboring commune. There is at present a village called Garene in the same district, and it is here, that the origin of the Warren family has been fixed by historians. The ancient baronial seat of the de Warrenes stood on the west side of the River Varrenne and as late as the year 1832 some of the ruins were standing. The surname has assumed different forms from time to time.
"Warren family history is exceeded in interest and antiquity by that of no other ancient English house. The surname is of Norman-French origin, and is derived from Varrenne, a small river in the old County of Calais or Caux, in Normandy, which gave its name to the neighboring commune. There is at present a village called Garene in the same district, and it is here, that the origin of the Warren family has been fixed by historians. The ancient baronial seat of the de Warrenes stood on the west side of the River Varrenne and as late as the year 1832 some of the ruins were standing. The surname has assumed different forms from time to time.
Varreyn, in ancestry
An ancient genealogy of the family traces the lineage of this William de Warren back to AD. 900, when his Scandinavian ancestors are said to have settled in Normandy.
The Scandinavian origin of the Norman family is acceded by eminent genealogists, and is embodied in the pedigree of the English house as drawn up by W. Flower, `Norroy, King of Arms,' and R. Glover, `Somerset Herald,' of England, in 1580. The following account of the early family is taken from the work of the late Rev. Dr. Israel Perkins Warren,
"The family of Warren has been traced by English writers to a Norman baron of Danish extraction. The Normans and Danes [Vikings] were united in their efforts to make a settlement in the northern part of France and ultimately succeeded in obtaining a foothold in that part of the country from which the Normans took the name of Normandy. One of these barons became connected by marriage with considerable families, as is related in the following account of an English author:
"The Danish knight had [Sired] Gunnora, Herfastus, Wevia, Werina, Duvelina, and Sainfra. Of these, Gunnora married Richard, Duke of Normandy, who had Richard, the father also of a Richard [heir], who dying without issue was succeeded in the dukedom by his brother Robert who was the father of William the Conqueror, who by Maud/Matilda, daughter of Baldwin, Earl of Flanders, had Robert, Duke of Normandy; Richard, Duke of Bernay, in Normandy; William, King of England; Henry, King of England; and several daughters one of whom, Gundred, was married to William, the first Earl of Warren and Surrey. Werina, according to a large pedigree drawn up and signed by W. Flower, `Norroy', and R. Glover, `Somerset Herald', in 1580, married Asmundde Commitiis villa.
Gundred, wife of William, first Earl of Warren and Surrey, in England, was a descendant of Charlemagne, and the fourth daughter of William the Conqueror and his wife Maud/Matilda, daughter of Baldwin, Earl of Flanders. We may, therefore, believe that William de Warrene was one of the principal and confidential auxiliaries of William The Conqueror from whom he had received the title of Earl before coming to England.
De Warrene took an important part in the Battle of Hastings, A.D. 1066, and in payment for his services, which were evidently highly estimated by the Conqueror, received immense land grants. He is mentioned in the Domesday Book as possessing lands in almost every county in England, comprising in all, according to Hume, three hundred lordships. He had lands in Shropshire, Essex, Suffolk, Oxford, Hants, Cambridgeshire, Bucks, Huntington, Bedfordshire, Norfolk, Lincoln, and York. He selected his residence in the village of Lewes, County Surrey, and there erected his beautiful castle, the ruins of which are still to be seen standing on an eminence surrounding the town, Although the principal parts are demolished, its gates are still standing, showing the massive construction. William, Earl of Warren and Surrey, and his wife Gundred, erected the priory in the town of Lewes, and he continued his benefactions to it during his life. Gundred died on May 27, 1085, and was buried in the chapter house of the Priory of Lewes, County Surrey. Her tombstone is still in existence. William died June 24,1088. His epitaph is still in existence, although the gravestone is lost or destroyed. In 1845 the coffers containing the bones of the Earl and Countess were disinterred and are now in the Church of St. John the Baptist, Southover."
De Warrene took an important part in the Battle of Hastings, A.D. 1066, and in payment for his services, which were evidently highly estimated by the Conqueror, received immense land grants. He is mentioned in the Domesday Book as possessing lands in almost every county in England, comprising in all, according to Hume, three hundred lordships. He had lands in Shropshire, Essex, Suffolk, Oxford, Hants, Cambridgeshire, Bucks, Huntington, Bedfordshire, Norfolk, Lincoln, and York. He selected his residence in the village of Lewes, County Surrey, and there erected his beautiful castle, the ruins of which are still to be seen standing on an eminence surrounding the town, Although the principal parts are demolished, its gates are still standing, showing the massive construction. William, Earl of Warren and Surrey, and his wife Gundred, erected the priory in the town of Lewes, and he continued his benefactions to it during his life. Gundred died on May 27, 1085, and was buried in the chapter house of the Priory of Lewes, County Surrey. Her tombstone is still in existence. William died June 24,1088. His epitaph is still in existence, although the gravestone is lost or destroyed. In 1845 the coffers containing the bones of the Earl and Countess were disinterred and are now in the Church of St. John the Baptist, Southover."
THE WARREN PEDIGREE
It must be remembered that surnames did not exist until the 1300’s and all men were known by their first names and the place that they originated or were designated.
The Warren name has come down from Varenne in Normandy and all those who carry that name can be assured that they are related to the Norman Warrens in some way. The names Waring and Warrener are definitely not of the Norman Warren name and have been brought into existence well after the Normans entered England.
1. A Danish Knight,Rollo, who was the progenitor for the Warren family, was among those who succeeded in obtaining a footing in Normandy, He became allied through marriage with some of the foremost families of noble lineage in Europe. He was the father of:
a. Gunnora [Daughter]
b. Herfastus, [Son] mentioned below
c. Wevia [Daughter]
d. Werina [Daughter]
e. Duvelina [Daughter]
f. Sainfra [Daughter]
2. Herfastus, son of the progenitor [first of the Warrens] had a daughter who had married Walter De St Martin [whose name meant Walter of St Martin]
3. The Daughter, who married Walter de Saint Martin gave birth to:
4. William [I] De Warren, Earl of Warren, in Normandy, who married a daughter of Ralph de Torta, they had a son who was:
The Warren name has come down from Varenne in Normandy and all those who carry that name can be assured that they are related to the Norman Warrens in some way. The names Waring and Warrener are definitely not of the Norman Warren name and have been brought into existence well after the Normans entered England.
1. A Danish Knight,Rollo, who was the progenitor for the Warren family, was among those who succeeded in obtaining a footing in Normandy, He became allied through marriage with some of the foremost families of noble lineage in Europe. He was the father of:
a. Gunnora [Daughter]
b. Herfastus, [Son] mentioned below
c. Wevia [Daughter]
d. Werina [Daughter]
e. Duvelina [Daughter]
f. Sainfra [Daughter]
2. Herfastus, son of the progenitor [first of the Warrens] had a daughter who had married Walter De St Martin [whose name meant Walter of St Martin]
3. The Daughter, who married Walter de Saint Martin gave birth to:
4. William [I] De Warren, Earl of Warren, in Normandy, who married a daughter of Ralph de Torta, they had a son who was:
WILLIAM [II] DE WARRENE, THE EARL FIRST
WARREN OF ENGLAND
This man was the right hand General and cousin to Guillaume [William] The Conqueror and he married Gundred fifth child of the Conqueror and Matilda his Queen and the first Norman Queen of England. His details are listed below. The exact dates for birth, deaths and marriages are not listed on all because some dates have discrepancies. Many of the Norman and Plantagenet Knights at this time were Knights Templar and Knights of the cross [crusaders]
5. William (2) de Warren, son of William (1) de Warren married Gundred, a daughter of William the Conqueror and became the first Earl of Warren and Surrey, in England. Their Castle was at Lewes in Surrey and the headstone of Gundred still exists. William De Warren and Gundred are buried in Southover church
6. William [III] de Warren, son of William [II] de Warren and Gundred, daughter of the Conqueror, succeeded his father in his title and lands, and became the second Earl of Warren and Surrey. He married Isabel (sometimes recorded as Elizabeth), daughter of the fifth Earl of Vermandois, in France.
7. Reginald Warren, son of William and Isabel, married Adelia, daughter of Roger de Mowbray.
8. William [IV] Warren, only son and heir of Reginald and Adelia (de Mowbray) Warren, married. Isabel daughter of William Heydon, [Knight]
9. Sir John Warren only son and heir of William [IV] and Isabel (Heydon) Warren married Alice daughter of Roger Townsend Esq.
10. John [II] Warren, son and heir of Sir John and Alice (Townsend) Warren, married Joan, daughter of Sir Hugh de Port, Knight.
11. Sir Edward Warren, son of John [II] and Joan (de Port) `Warren, married Maud, daughter of Richard de Skeyton.
12. Sir Edward [II] Warren, son of Sir Edward [I] and Maud (de Skeyton) Warren, married Cicely, daughter of Nicholas de Eaton, Knight.
13. Sir John [III] Warren, only son of Sir Edward [II] and Cicely (de Eaton) Warren, married Agnes, daughter of Sir Richard de Wynnington, Knight.
14. Sir Lawrence Warren, only son and heir of Sir John [III] and Agnes (de Wynnington) Warren, married Margery, daughter of Hugh Bulkeley, of Ware, in Shropshire.
15. John [IV] Warren, eldest son of Sir Lawrence and Margery (Bulkeley) Warren, married Isabel, daughter of Sir John Stanley, Knight.
16. Sir Lawrence Warren, of Poynton, son of John [IV] and Isabel (Stanley) Warren, married Isabel, daughter of Robert Leigh, Knight.
17. William [V] Warren, seated at Caunton, in Nottinghamshire, married Anne, surname unknown; he died in May, 1496.
18. John [V] Warren, [B c1465] married Elizabeth Gerard and died in 1525.
19. John [VI] Warren, of Headborough, b c1486 was of the parish of Ashburton, in Devonshire. His son was:
20. Christopher Warren, [b c1505] of Headborough in Devon
21. William [VI] Warren, [b c1535] of Headborough, married age 41, Anne, daughter of Thomas Mable, of Calstocke, in Cornwall; after the death of William, she m 42, William Culling, of Woodland, in Devonshire.
22. Christopher Warren, [b c1585] of Headborough, only living son and heir of William [VI] Warren,Christopher m Alice, daughter of Thomas Webb, of Sydenham, in Devonshire 1613. Christopher and Alice’s children were:
Notable Warrens since Marnhull, Dorset
Family line for
Warrens came on down the family tree as Vicars, Rectors, Bishops and Churchwardens and in many cases as Parish Clerks. Most of these Churchmen of the lesser degree [Parish Clerks and Churchwardens] held day jobs in several different occupations.
The educated Warrens of Marnhull in Dorset, for the most part, were Stone Masons and Parish Clerks although there were agricultural Warrens who farmed or were farm labourers.
The Stone Masons/Clerics continued for some 200 years until Christopher Warren left for Southampton where he continued the Mason work as an employer but was also heavily connected to the church. His son Nathaniel was well schooled [probably in Suffolk] and departed from the Stone Mason work and started a printing shop in Winchester, Hampshire. Nathaniel's father and his older brother [heir] continued on as stonemasons in Southampton for a time.
Nathaniel Short Warren married Mary Ann Furner of Romsey in Hampshire and had sons Alfred Frederick Warren and William Thorn Warren. It appears that there was some problem within the family because Alfred Frederick [Born 1830 as heir] departed for New Zealand in 1860 where he took up the post of Government printer in Auckland. His brother [William Thorn Warren] was then made heir and joined his father in the family printing works. This continued for some time and William Thorn Warren eventually became mayor of Winchester in 1895-1905.
Now
the family is at its lowest ebb [1990’s] in regard to higher
education. but has been rejuvenated with Law and teaching degrees
earned at university by at least two young ladies of the family whilst a
son has pursued a military career.
THOSE WHO REMAINED IN MARNHULL
After Christopher Warren [son of Martin b 1733] departed Marnhull in Dorset, he married Anna Maria Simm and settled in Southampton as a Stonemason and Minister.
Behind him he left brothers John, Martin and Eli and sisters Rebecca, Anne and Sarah. We shall add their families to this site to enable whomsoever is left in Marnhull, to realize a distant cousin in Australia.
Christopher b 1767 had a younger brother Martin b 1778 who married Mary Burge at Marnhull in 1798 after having a baby [Sarah b 1797 out of wedlock] they did however marry the following year.
His children were; Sarah then John b 29th December 1799 married 1830, Anna Maria b 27th June 1802, Christopher b 5th August 1804, Jemima b 8th March 1807.
5. William (2) de Warren, son of William (1) de Warren married Gundred, a daughter of William the Conqueror and became the first Earl of Warren and Surrey, in England. Their Castle was at Lewes in Surrey and the headstone of Gundred still exists. William De Warren and Gundred are buried in Southover church
6. William [III] de Warren, son of William [II] de Warren and Gundred, daughter of the Conqueror, succeeded his father in his title and lands, and became the second Earl of Warren and Surrey. He married Isabel (sometimes recorded as Elizabeth), daughter of the fifth Earl of Vermandois, in France.
7. Reginald Warren, son of William and Isabel, married Adelia, daughter of Roger de Mowbray.
8. William [IV] Warren, only son and heir of Reginald and Adelia (de Mowbray) Warren, married. Isabel daughter of William Heydon, [Knight]
9. Sir John Warren only son and heir of William [IV] and Isabel (Heydon) Warren married Alice daughter of Roger Townsend Esq.
10. John [II] Warren, son and heir of Sir John and Alice (Townsend) Warren, married Joan, daughter of Sir Hugh de Port, Knight.
11. Sir Edward Warren, son of John [II] and Joan (de Port) `Warren, married Maud, daughter of Richard de Skeyton.
12. Sir Edward [II] Warren, son of Sir Edward [I] and Maud (de Skeyton) Warren, married Cicely, daughter of Nicholas de Eaton, Knight.
13. Sir John [III] Warren, only son of Sir Edward [II] and Cicely (de Eaton) Warren, married Agnes, daughter of Sir Richard de Wynnington, Knight.
14. Sir Lawrence Warren, only son and heir of Sir John [III] and Agnes (de Wynnington) Warren, married Margery, daughter of Hugh Bulkeley, of Ware, in Shropshire.
15. John [IV] Warren, eldest son of Sir Lawrence and Margery (Bulkeley) Warren, married Isabel, daughter of Sir John Stanley, Knight.
16. Sir Lawrence Warren, of Poynton, son of John [IV] and Isabel (Stanley) Warren, married Isabel, daughter of Robert Leigh, Knight.
17. William [V] Warren, seated at Caunton, in Nottinghamshire, married Anne, surname unknown; he died in May, 1496.
18. John [V] Warren, [B c1465] married Elizabeth Gerard and died in 1525.
19. John [VI] Warren, of Headborough, b c1486 was of the parish of Ashburton, in Devonshire. His son was:
20. Christopher Warren, [b c1505] of Headborough in Devon
21. William [VI] Warren, [b c1535] of Headborough, married age 41, Anne, daughter of Thomas Mable, of Calstocke, in Cornwall; after the death of William, she m 42, William Culling, of Woodland, in Devonshire.
22. Christopher Warren, [b c1585] of Headborough, only living son and heir of William [VI] Warren,Christopher m Alice, daughter of Thomas Webb, of Sydenham, in Devonshire 1613. Christopher and Alice’s children were:
23 Robert Warren [I] [b 1615],died at Rame,Cornwall
John Warren [VII] [b 1617],died 1699 at Marnhull, Dorset
Richard Warren [b 1619]
Christopher Warren [b 1621]
Thomas Warren [b 1623]
and William Warren [b1626] were the sons of Christopher Warren and Alice Webb.
24 John Warren [VII]
Married Alice Burgess at St Martins in Exeter, he became Parish Clerk
at Marnhull and his son John Warren [VIII] was born 1658. His brother
Robert [I] was heir to Christopher and he became Rector of Maker,
Cornwall and then finally Rector of Rame in Cornwall where he died one
day after taking up his post. Robert married Margaret Burgess a daughter
of Peter Burgess of Peter Tavey
25 John Warren [VIII]
B 1658 Married Ruth --- and lived at Marnhull c1691, they had several children
including John b1695, Robert b1696 a son Christopher Warren in 1698 and
daughters Mary and Ruth early in the 1700’s.
[See above for Marnhull line of Warren Family leading in to Hampshire, New Zealand and Australia.]
Footnote:
The Warren family line above has always been connected to the church and has always been well educated up until the 20th
century, even when working as employer stone masons. In 1805, the Stone
Mason Christopher Warren born 1768 transferred his mason business to
Southampton Hampshire from Marnhull in Dorset.
He
was a churchman as was also his son Nathaniel Short Warren, although Nathaniel was not heir, he brought the family toward the twentieth century when he opened
his own printing shop in Winchester. By the time he died in 1866, his
son William Thorn Warren had taken over the reins as heir although
Alfred Frederick [firstborn] should have been heir but for his migration
to New Zealand as Government printer in 1860. The Warren Printery and shop at Winchester in the High
Street would have belonged to Alfred Frederick Warren [father of Alfred
Samuel Warren]
Notable Warrens since Marnhull, Dorset
John Warren of Marnhull was awarded a pension and a loyalty award by King Charles the 2nd after he and three other Marnhull men remained loyal to the king at the time of Oliver Cromwell.
Nathaniel
Short Warren of Winchester became printer to Hampshire and printed many
exceptional pieces including the introduction to the house of Jane
Austin [Author].
William Thorn Warren [Great Grand Uncle] attended the coronation of King Edward in the late 1800 or early 1900’s.
Some
of this line also enjoyed distinguished military careers and bravery in
war has been show from the very first of these Norman/Danish/Viking
men.
A
long line of European Kings and Queens also date back from many of the
females who married Warren men and a little of this can be seen in the
International Genealogy Index that has been here prepared.
Raymond J Warren
Historian
Brisbane
Queensland
Australia
December 14, 2008.
ELVIS AARON PRESLEY
This section is dedicated to the memory of Elvis Presley and is also presented here to show how the Warren Family have roots in millions of western families.
This section is dedicated to the memory of Elvis Presley and is also presented here to show how the Warren Family have roots in millions of western families.
1935-1977
Elvis Presley's line of the Warren Family begins with his Great
Grandmother Mary Warren who married William Hood but we shall take his line
from himself backward.
Family line for
Elvis Aaron Presley 1935-1977
married Priscilla Beaulieu Presley c1964
FATHER
FATHER
Vernon Presley 1895-c1978
MOTHER
MOTHER
Grace Presley
GRANDFATHER
GRANDFATHER
Jessie Presley c1870 married
Minnie May Hood c1872
GREAT GRANDFATHER
GREAT GRANDFATHER
William Hood 1852
GREAT GRANDMOTHER
GREAT GRANDMOTHER
**Mary Warren c1854
Warren Line for
Elvis Aaron Presley
FATHER OF MARY WARREN
FATHER OF MARY WARREN
William Warren b1826 married
Minerva Davis b1825
GRANDFATHER of Mary Warren
GRANDFATHER of Mary Warren
John Warren b1776
Cassandra Gentry b1780
Robert Warren b1740
Mary Warren b1740
Robert Warren b1700
Judith--- b1705
Robert Warren b1667
Annie --- b1670
Thomas Warren b1624
Jane King 1659m
William Warren b1596
Catherine Gookin b1597
Ann Crawford 2nd wife?
Thomas Warren b1510-d1591
Maria Close m1535
John Warren bc1500
Joan Moninges c1500
William Warren bc1445
Joane Orwell m c1495
John Warren b1505-c1575
Isabel Stanley m c1570
William Warren bc1480-c1560
???
???
Laurence Warren b1425
Marjory Bulkely c1449
Nicholas Warren bc1400-1460 Isabel Leigh
This is just about where the family line of Elvis Presley enters the line of the family Warren of Australia according to genealogists in the USA. Other people of note to be Warren related are actor Richard Gere and President Ulysses S Grant. It should also be noted that all Warren families that have Norman line records, will have some relationship in the past.
The Warren Family from the earliest times, appear to have
protected themselves well against the might of Governments and Kings.
During the Norman war and the subsequent civil battles had throughout Britain,
they progressed as Knights and landed gentry until the last of the
Norman Warren heirs [Isabel de Warren] had passed over control of those
lands to the Plantagenet family and other families of renown.
The lesser Warrens continued on as educated peoples and took up religious posts that had been bought for their lesser sons in Norman times and for the most part, these posts were as Vicars and Rectors at places like Ilsington in Devon and etc.
The lesser Warrens continued on as educated peoples and took up religious posts that had been bought for their lesser sons in Norman times and for the most part, these posts were as Vicars and Rectors at places like Ilsington in Devon and etc.
Warrens came on down the family tree as Vicars, Rectors, Bishops and Churchwardens and in many cases as Parish Clerks. Most of these Churchmen of the lesser degree [Parish Clerks and Churchwardens] held day jobs in several different occupations.
The educated Warrens of Marnhull in Dorset, for the most part, were Stone Masons and Parish Clerks although there were agricultural Warrens who farmed or were farm labourers.
The Stone Masons/Clerics continued for some 200 years until Christopher Warren left for Southampton where he continued the Mason work as an employer but was also heavily connected to the church. His son Nathaniel was well schooled [probably in Suffolk] and departed from the Stone Mason work and started a printing shop in Winchester, Hampshire. Nathaniel's father and his older brother [heir] continued on as stonemasons in Southampton for a time.
Nathaniel Short Warren married Mary Ann Furner of Romsey in Hampshire and had sons Alfred Frederick Warren and William Thorn Warren. It appears that there was some problem within the family because Alfred Frederick [Born 1830 as heir] departed for New Zealand in 1860 where he took up the post of Government printer in Auckland. His brother [William Thorn Warren] was then made heir and joined his father in the family printing works. This continued for some time and William Thorn Warren eventually became mayor of Winchester in 1895-1905.
The
Warrens of New Zealand and then Australia have had to re-create
themselves because they went from well educated Churchmen and masons to
railway engineers and mechanics.
THOSE WHO REMAINED IN MARNHULL
After Christopher Warren [son of Martin b 1733] departed Marnhull in Dorset, he married Anna Maria Simm and settled in Southampton as a Stonemason and Minister.
Behind him he left brothers John, Martin and Eli and sisters Rebecca, Anne and Sarah. We shall add their families to this site to enable whomsoever is left in Marnhull, to realize a distant cousin in Australia.
Christopher b 1767 had a younger brother Martin b 1778 who married Mary Burge at Marnhull in 1798 after having a baby [Sarah b 1797 out of wedlock] they did however marry the following year.
His children were; Sarah then John b 29th December 1799 married 1830, Anna Maria b 27th June 1802, Christopher b 5th August 1804, Jemima b 8th March 1807.
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